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[Union Bureaucrat Sonny] Hall wrote, “what you … wanted was a Mass Strike, not to win wages, but to bring down the government.” In Winn’s reply, he wrote: “What’s so terrible about that? If that’s what it takes to defend the jobs and living standards of transit workers, then so…

[Union Bureaucrat Sonny] Hall wrote, “what you … wanted was a Mass Strike, not to win wages, but to bring down the government.” In Winn’s reply, he wrote: “What’s so terrible about that? If that’s what it takes to defend the jobs and living standards of transit workers, then so be it!”
As Ed Winn pointed out, when the party proposes tactics to striking and demonstrating workers, they should base the argument on the strategic purpose: not simple wage gains which higher prices and job losses will erase, but control over the means of production accomplished through the breaking up of the old state and the establishment of a new one. The union bureaucrat will always argue that this struggle is useless, but it has always underpinned the real pressure for labor reforms, including wage increases. Their tactics and strategy depend on willful ignorance of the economic process of production under Capitalism. The working class cannot imagine a system into being. The real system exists despite the promises of the bureaucrat, and that reality forces the workers into a conflict with employers, the union bureaucracy, and the state.

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[Union Bureaucrat Sonny] Hall wrote, “what you … wanted was a Mass Strike, not to win wages, but to bring down the government.” In Winn’s reply, he wrote: “What’s so terrible about that? If that’s what it takes to defend the jobs and living standards of transit workers, then so be it!”

As Ed Winn pointed out, when the party proposes tactics to striking and demonstrating workers, they should base the argument on the strategic purpose: not simple wage gains which higher prices will

[Union Bureaucrat Sonny] Hall wrote, “what you … wanted was a Mass Strike, not to win wages, but to bring down the government.” In Winn’s reply, he wrote: “What’s so terrible about that? If that’s what it takes to defend the jobs and living standards of transit workers, then so be it!”
As Ed Winn pointed out, when the party proposes tactics to striking and demonstrating workers, they should base the argument on the strategic purpose: not simple wage gains which higher prices and job losses will erase, but control over the means of production accomplished through the breaking up of the old state and the establishment of a new one. The union bureaucrat will always argue that this struggle is useless, but it has always underpinned the real pressure for labor reforms, including wage increases. Their tactics and strategy depend on willful ignorance of the economic process of production under Capitalism. The working class cannot imagine a system into being. The real system exists despite the promises of the bureaucrat, and that reality forces the workers into a conflict with employers, the union bureaucracy, and the state.

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[Union Bureaucrat Sonny] Hall wrote, “what you … wanted was a Mass Strike, not to win wages, but to bring down the government.” In Winn’s reply, he wrote: “What’s so terrible about that? If that’s what it takes to defend the jobs and living standards of transit workers, then so be it!”

As Ed Winn pointed out, when the party proposes tactics to striking and demonstrating workers, they should base the argument on the strategic purpose: not simple wage gains which higher prices will erase, but control over the means of production accomplished through the breaking up of the old state and the establishment of a new one. The union bureaucrat will always argue that this struggle is useless, but it has always underpinned the pressure for labor reforms, including wage increases. Their tactics and strategy depend on willful ignorance of the economic process of production under Capitalism. The working class cannot imagine a system into being. The real system exists despite the promises of the bureaucrat, and that reality forces the workers into a conflict with employers and the state.

, but control over the means of production accomplished through the breaking up of the old state and the establishment of a new one. The union bureaucrat will always argue that this struggle is useless, but it has always underpinned the pressure for labor reforms, including wage increases. Their tactics and strategy depend on willful ignorance of the economic process of production under Capitalism. The working class cannot imagine a system into being. The real system exists despite the promises of the bureaucrat, and that reality forces the workers into a conflict with employers and the state.

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